tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673381213207635316.post6574059109591406028..comments2019-02-02T15:29:32.884+01:00Comments on Etymolist: Thoughts on PIE *bhag-Hanshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10929065286701743522noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673381213207635316.post-4435847165615838982013-12-29T11:44:52.413+01:002013-12-29T11:44:52.413+01:00Interesting. On Winter's law, that depends wha...Interesting. On Winter's law, that depends what flavour Beekes uses; AFAIK, the one most accepted nowadays is Matasovic's revision, where the lengthening doesn't take place in open syllables, meaning that it wouldn't be expected to work on *bhago-. As for why he postulates *bheH2g- for Greek, I can think of two reasons - he either doesn't accept schwa secundum or he belongs to those who whant to link *bhag- with the root *bheH2g- "beech".<br />By the way, I now checked Derksen's "Etymological Dictionary of the Slavic Inherited Lexicon" (Leiden - Boston 2008) s.v. bogъ, and he even claims that it is "usually considered to be a loan" (which seems to be a bit exaggerated) and says that this "hypothesis is supported by the fact that the etymon does not show the effects of Winter’s law". From his discussion (p. 7) of Winter's law, although he doesn't refer to Matasovic's revision, it is obvious that Derksen generally assumes it to work in open syllables, so in his framework that's a valid argument.Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10929065286701743522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673381213207635316.post-83962811093596475102013-12-29T01:25:10.837+01:002013-12-29T01:25:10.837+01:00FWIW, Beekes confirms that the Slavic words are bo...FWIW, Beekes confirms that the Slavic words are borrowings, since he says they haven't followed Winter's Law. He also repeats Adams' idea that the Tocharian is also a borrowing. <br />However, he thinks the Greek requires <i>bheh2g</i> (though he doesn't explicitly explain why or consider alternatives), with the short vowel in IIr being from an analogised loss of the laryngeal in certain forms.<br /><br />I don't know anything about Greek diachronics (and of course Beekes doesn't think to explain them anywhere, I mean it's only an etymological dictionary who would be interested in sound changes...), so I can't say whether he's right. <br /><br />Or I guess you could both be right - the Indo-Iranian may be from bheg, while the Greek is from bhe2g, or from a loanword of some sort. You're right that the semantics aren't exactly airtight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com